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It is the philosophy of the coaching staff at Five1 Athletics to provide consistent feedback and coaching to all athletes regardless of team.  Coaches work together to provide consistent feedback and teaching so that when a 10U athlete learns and practices a skill, they are practicing and being coached in the same manner that our 18U athletes have learned and are practicing. 

Coach Eric Lazowski is the Director of Volleyball and provides the structure for all of our coaches to follow.  Fundamental skills are taught and practiced in game-like situations, and are coached within the context of the game.  Athletes practice and compete with and against each other, and are mixed between age groups during each time block.  This allows our athletes to benefit from the insight and experience from EVERY coach who happens to be present during that practice session.

We believe our unique practice environment is a distinct differentiator and our coaching staff is second to none.

Coaching staff listed below is TENTATIVE for the 2019-2020 season and is subject to change without notice.

       NATIONAL  TEAMS      

Heather Seegraves
Saginaw Valley State University

Head Coach, 18 Black

Coach Seegraves has been a part of our operation in Clio for the past four years.  She coached 18 North as part of the Legacy Volleyball organization in the first year of operation, and the Legacy 16 Black team the following.  16 Black had a very successful season and finished with a win in the Classic Division of the MJVBA State Championships! In 2017, Heather coached 14 Black and helped out with both 17 Blue and 16 Adidas as well during the 2018 season.  Last season, Heather took the reigns back with the 18's age group managing the 18 adidas roster.

Heather has extensive knowledge of the game and our training methods.  Heather has been coaching for more than 20 years at the high school varsity, junior varsity, middle school and club levels, after playing for DII Saginaw Valley State University.  Heather also runs the Bay City Community Center programs to grow the game at home.

Jen Fry
Elon Univ / Univ of Illinois / Washington State / Norfolk State Univ

Head Coach, 18 Blue

JenFryTalks is a social justice education firm who uses conversation to educate and empower those within athletics through an anti-racist lens on issues of race, inclusion, intersectionality, diversity, and equity. We facilitate conversation with small and large groups, athletic departments, athletic teams, staff, administrations, schools, affinity groups, identity groups and much more. We use our antiracist lens to advise on best practices that will create equitable searches, hiring, onboarding practices, methods of retaining staff, retaining student-athletes, supporting student-athletes, staff and coaches, and community building.

Coach Fry is a veteran coach with over 15 years of experience at the collegiate level with coaching stints at Elon University, University of Illinois - 2011 National Runner-up, Washington State University, and Norfolk State University. She has spoken, consulted, or facilitated sessions/workshops with the NCAA, NCAA Inclusion Forum, American Volleyball Coaches Association, Gilman School, Lonestar Conference, Black Student-Athlete Summit, Women Leaders in College Sports, Western Michigan University, East Carolina University, and more. Jen recently completed her first TedxDuke talk titled “Radical Social Justice Education Through High Fives.” Lastly, she is working on her PhD in Geography at the Michigan State University. Go Green. 

Eric Lazowski
Michigan State University/Texas A&M Corpus Christi
Five1 Athletics Co-Founder and Five:1 VBC Co-Owner / Volleyball Director
Commissioner, Lakeshore Region, USA Volleyball
Head Coach, 17 Black

Coach Lazowski, as the lead instructor for all of the teams in the gym, ensures consistency in training from our youngest athletes to the oldest.  Eric's background as a player, as a collegiate coach, club director, and current commissioner of the Lakeshore Region of USA Volleyball brings an extremely unique component to what athletes find when they train in our gym.  

His lifelong passion for the game of volleyball began while in college first at Central Michigan then at Michigan State and has continued throughout adulthood, as he transitioned from collegiate player, to professional beach player, to professionally trained coach. 

Previous Coaching Experience:
Assistant Coach, Western Illinois University
Assistant Coach, Texas A&M University Corpus Christi
Volunteer Assistant Coach, University of Texas El Paso
Assistant Coach, Florida Gulf Coast University
Assistant Coach, Barry University, Miami FL
Student Assistant, Michigan State University
Assistant Coach, Michigan State University Men’s Volleyball
Student Assistant, Central Michigan University
USA Volleyball:
Head Coach, USA Junior National A2 Team, Pula Croatia
Head Coach, USA JNT A2, Gold Medal HP Championships
Head Coach, USA YNT A2, Gold Medal HP Championships
Head Coach, USA JNT A2, Silver Medal HP Championships
Head Coach, Numerous developmental camps
Head Coach, Iowa Region HP, Bronze Medal HP Championships
Head Coach, Florida Region HP, Gold Medal HP Championships
Club VB:
North Director, Legacy Volleyball Club
Assistant Director, Oakland Elite Volleyball
Director, South Florida VBC
Director, Club Corpus VBC
Program Director/Recruiting Director, Austin Juniors VBC
FIVB Beach Qualifier, Acapulco and Toronto (2)
AVP Tour: Milwaukee, Muskegon, Jacksonville, Atlanta
USA Beach Volleyball: Huntington Beach, Deerfield Beach
MPVA, Tawas City Open Champion
Michigan State University Men’s Volleyball Club
Central Michigan Men’s Club Volleyball

Dallas Wimbrow
Paige Wimbrow, Assistant
Hartland High School

Head Coach, 17 Blue

Coach Wimbrow comes to Five:1 with 9 years of coaching experience at the developmental level, moving up to the older age group for both high school and club for the 2019-2020 season.  Coach Dallas has a tremendous level of energy and passion for coaching, and in his first year at Five:1 coaching 14 blue, saw tremendous success with his team.  14 blue finished an impressive 5th place in the Club division at Central Zone early in the season, 21st of 112 teams at the Mid-East Qualifier in St. Louis, and 2nd place in Premier at Motor City Madness.  "I've owned and operated a Landscape company for the past 26 years which allows me the flexibility to coach.  I just celebrated my 26th wedding anniversary with my wife, Connie.  We have two daughters."  

Paige is currently in her Senior year at Beloit College where she has been the starting setter of her volleyball team since her Freshman year.  "She is always my assistant coach."  Tatum is currently an incoming sophomore at Hartland High School and plays on the volleyball team.

Club Coach
2017-2018 - Legacy 13 West
2018-2019 - Five:1 14 Blue

*Silver winner at Volleyfest 13 open - 2017
*Silver finish in 14 open power league - 2017, 2018
*Gold bracket finish Presidents day 13 open, 2017
*2nd place 13/14 Attack volleyball tournament - 2017
*3rd place Motor City Madness - 2017
*gold bracket finish 13 Open Motor City Madness - 2018
*2nd place 14 Premier Motor City Madness - 2019
*1st 14s UofM Dearborn - 2018

High School Coach
2016-2018 - Hartland High School Freshmen
2019-Present - Junior Varsity

*League Champs - 2016
*2nd in league - 2017
Undefeated, League Champs - 2018
*(1) 1st place tournament win, 2016
*(2) 1st place tournament wins, 2017
*(2) 2ns place tournament wins, 2016
*3rd place tournament win, 2017
*overall record for 2 seasons 54-8

Sandy Catalano
Saginaw Valley State University

Five1 Athletics Co-Founder and Five:1 VBC Co-Owner / Operations Director
Head Coach, 17 White

Coach Sandy has been a volleyball coach and competitor since 1991. She was also a collegiate athlete, playing 4 years of Division II varsity volleyball at Saginaw Valley State University where she majored in Sports Medicine, Education & General Business.  

Sandy has coached school and club athletes at various levels for more than 15 years.  She has 10 years of corporate sales and account management experience, 4 years of corporate sales training experience, and 3 years of retail management experience.  She is a certified  Motorcycle Safety Instructor with the Motorcycle Safety Foundation and the State of Michigan, and is also CPR and First Aid certified.

Previous Coaching Experience:

Head Coach, Clio High School
Assistant Coach, Saginaw Valley State University
Varsity Coach, Western High School
Student Assistant, Saginaw Valley State University
Varsity Coach, Dow High School
JV Coach, Western High School
Head Coach – Valley Volleyball Club

Club VB:
Assistant Director, Legacy North
Coach, Legacy North

Playing Experience

4yr Player and Senior Captain, Saginaw Valley State University
Academic All-Conference - GLIAC, Saginaw Valley State University
Valley Volleyball Club, Coach Bob Sells
4-year varsity starter at Whittemore-Prescott High School
3-year captain for WP, All-State Honors Junior and Senior years

Dave Morse
Mt. Morris High School

Head Coach, 17 Red

Coach Morse is entering his third season in our gym coaching 17/18's, and we're happy to have him back!  Dave works construction by day, and lives volleyball by night.  Dave has coached in and around Genesee County for several years at different levels and age groups.  He has volunteered at Clio High School and has been involved with that program for the last three years.  Prior to that, he coached at Mt. Morris High School as well as in their club program, North County Volleyball Club.  He continues to grow the game locally and build into the lives of mid-Michigan athletes.

Dave continues to play competitively both indoor and on the beach.


Tiffany Sayles
Sienna Heights University

Head Coach,16 Black

Coach Sayles joined our staff in 2017 and has coached young ladies in and around Genesee County for many years.  She has a tremendous knowledge of both the skill and strategy of the game.  "My love for the game began at my first practice in 7th grade.  I played school ball, club volleyball and summer leagues.  I always wanted to be in the gym.  That love the game has continued through all of my coaching years.  My favorite thing about coaching is seeing the athletes develop their skills and growing the game in their own lives.  Tiffany is pictured her with her two daughters, Lauren and Jenna - both athletes in the Five:1 gym!

Coach Tiffany also joined the USAV Olympic Pipeline Lakeshore High Performance Program this year as an assistant coach.

Playing Experience:  
Mott Community College
Sienna Heights

Coaching Experience:
Davison Junior Varsity - 8 Years
Davison 8th Grade - 12 Years
Intensity Elite (14u, 15u, 17u, 18u) - 6 Years 
Club Director / Coach - Lady Cards Volleyball (10u/12u) - 6 years
Matchpoint Volleyball Camp Coach - 3 years
Lakeshore High Performance Camp Coach - 3 years

Erica VanderHaar
St. Clair Community College
Head Coach, 16 Blue

Coach VanderHaar is a graduate of Nouvel Catholic Central in Saginaw, MI, and played at St. Clair County Community College.  She is currently finishing her degree at Central Michigan University and pursue studies in pre-medicine in hopes to continue into medical school and become a Psychiatrist or Pediatrician. Erica has coached at Nouvel Elementary when in high school and has run many camps for both high school and college.

Erica is entering her 3rd year coaching at Five:1.  She has done a tremendous job with every team she coaches and is highly respected by both the parents and athletes.  She spends a lot of time assisting in running camps and clinics in our gym during the summer.  Erica says, "I’m excited to be a part of the Five:1 coaching staff because I love inspiring young athletes to really push for their maximum potential and be the best player they can be both physically and mentally!"

Alex Scharpenburg
Central Michigan University
Head Coach, 16 White

Alex is a graduate of Grand Traverse Academy in Traverse City, Michigan, and now attends Central Michigan University where he is a part of the Women's Volleyball Program as a student assistant.  As an athlete, Alex played for USA Volleyball's High Performance program for five years in both indoor and beach.  He is pursuing a degree in Education and a minor in Athletic Coaching.

Alex has been an assistant coach for the Lakeshore High Performance program for the past two years.  He was also a student assistant on the Davenport University Women's Volleyball team in 2018.  "I have been in the Five:1 gym for two years now, and am excited to be a part of the coaching staff!  I love working with athletes to help them reach their full potential in order to be the best athletes they can be!"

Jessica Fugate
Saginaw Valley State University

Head Coach, 16 Red

Coach Fugate, a former middle blocker for SVSU and native of Petosky, Michigan, is an alumni of Saginaw Valley State University, where she graduated with a degree in Graphic Design and Photography in 2011.  She is currently a self-employed photographer and is in her first season at Nouvel Catholic Central High School as the head coach of the volleyball program.  She and her husband Mike reside in Saginaw.

We are thrilled to have Jess join our staff this year.  She shares her energy and passion for the sport of volleyball with her athletes.  When asked about coaching, Jess replied, "It's the most amazing and rewarding thing I've ever done!"

Carson Rutherford
Northwood University
Head Coach, 16 Gold

Coach Rutherford is a recent graduate of Northwood University.  Carson is local to the area, graduating from Flushing High School, where she was a 4-year varsity outside hitter and earned all-state honors.  

She began her collegiate volleyball experience at the University of Minnesota – Crookston, she transferred to Northwood for her second year and was a 4-year starter with the Timberwolf volleyball team on the right side.  As a coach, she has three seasons of experience and has a great deal of knowledge of both the skill and strategy of the game of volleyball.

Carson says of coaching, "I am passionate about empowering young female athletes as well as teaching the game I am most passionate about!  I love to help young women find their passion in life.  It is also important to me to implement skills and characteristics that they can learn to use on and off the court.  As the eldest of three siblings, my goal is to be the best mentor, sponsor and coach I can be to lead these young women to success!"


Kari Carnell
Aquinas College
Head Coach, 15 Black

Coach Carnell joined our staff in 2017, and coached a very successful 16 Blue roster for the past two years!  A middle school physical education teacher by day, volleyball coach by night, Kari has a tremendous amount of experience playing and coaching the sport of volleyball!  We are very excited she has chosen Five1 as her club volleyball home!

Coaching Experience

Corunna High school - Varsity Coach

  • 1 league championship
  • 3 district championships
  • 1 regional championship
  • Coached Miss Volleyball 2017

Corunna Middle School - 8th grade coach
Grand Rapids Catholic Central High School- JV Head Coach & Varsity Assistant
East Grand Rapids Middle School - 7th & 8th Grade coach

Club Volleyball

Coach, Arsenal Volleyball Club
Coach, Intensity Elite Volleyball Club
Coach, Saints Juniors Volleyball Club
Director & Coach, Rapid Fire Volleyball Club
Coach, Supreme Court Volleyball Club

Playing Experience

4 year player - Aquinas College
Genesee Area Volleyball Club
4 year varsity player- Flushing high school

Lana Rybkowski
Northwood University

Head Coach, 15 Blue

Coach Lana was an All-American Outside Hitter for Northwood University. After she graduated she was recruited to play Pro in Europe. Played 3 years in Paris- France, a year in Spain- Menorca, and one year in Norway- Stod. After her indoor career she played two years in FIVB beach world tour. She's currently the assistant coach at Northwood university in Midland and the assistant coach for director Eric Lazowski and Lakeshore High Performance Select National team in Florida. 

Five1 Director on Lana: Lana brings a great amount of experience as a high level player and passionate volleyball athlete to our gym. She knows the game and flourishes in our gym culture. Very excited to be working again with Lana. 

Lana, who is Latvian, is pictured here with Olympic Gold Medalist Aldis Berzins - also Latvian.

Madison Seegraves
St. Clair Community College

Head Coach, 15 White

Coach Seegraves has been a student athlete and coach in our gym for the last five years.  After graduating from Garber High School, Madison then went on to play two years of volleyball as an outside hitter at St. Clair Community College.  She has now transferred to Saginaw Valley State University to continue her degree in Elementary Education.

Madison has been a student of the game of volleyball her entire life, sharing her passion for the sport with coach, mentor and mother, Heather Seegraves.  She played in our gym with Legacy Volleyball Club, and then continued on as coach for the next two seasons.  She assisted Heather with a successful Legacy North 16 Black team, and in 2017 year served as head coach for Five:1 17 Blue.  Last season, Madison coached 15 White.

Drew Shumaker
Bryan College
Head Coach, 15 Red

Coach Shu, Jr. graduated from Grace Baptist Academy in Tennessee and comes to us with collegiate volleyball experience at Bryan College, after playing for 2 years or the Southern Storm in Atlanta, GA on their U18 team.  He comes from a volleyball family, as the son of Dave and Joanna Shumaker, who owned and operated their own volleyball club called C4.  He played volleyball in both high school and on club teams.

Drew was involved with several clinics with local high schools in Tennessee and has coached Gymnastics, Cheer Tumbling, and Parkour / Strength & Conditioning.  He was involved with the 2019 Lakeshore High Performance Camp this past summer.  His years of playing competitively at a high level will transfer nicely to coaching in our gym.

He is currently attending Delta College, majoring in Economics and works for a local coffee roasting company.  He also continues to coach Parkour-based Strength & Conditioning classes.


David Shumaker 
Northwood University
Head Coach,14 Black

Coach Shumaker was named the fifth volleyball coach in the 34-year history of Northwood volleyball in December 2015.  In over 15 years as a head coach at two different institutions, Shumaker has posted 346 victories and a .644 win percentage (346-191).  

Dave came to our gym in 2017 and brings a fundamentals based approach to our team of coaches.  He is an integral part of creating a culture of game-based learning in our gym. In 2017 he led a very talented team of 18's athletes, winning multiple events. Legacy 18 North went on to win the American Division the OVR Columbus Qualifier and competed in the USAV 18's National Championships in Dallas, Texas placing 5th among 61 teams.  18 North also won the Open Division of the Michiana Power League in 2017, and placed 5th in the USA Division of the Mideast Qualifier, finishing the season at 39-8 overall.

2019 - Head Coach, 16 Adidas
2018 - Head Coach, 18 Adidas

Matthew "Duff" Duffield
Romeo High School

Head Coach, 14 Blue

Matthew “Duff” Duffield joins Five:1 VBC this season with a 36-year extensive background coaching various sports (football, softball, volleyball) and ages with success.  As a volleyball coach, he has coached middle school and high school programs, and in a number of clubs during his 18-year career.  In 2014-15, he was part of the State Championship coaching staff at Romeo High School.  Most recently, he has been involved in the USAV Olympic Pipeline program, High Performance, for the Lakeshore Region.

Coach Duff teaches Honors History at Anchor Bay High School.  He has two children, Kamryn and Drew.  Kam is entering her second year at Wayne State University as a setter on the varsity volleyball team.  Drew is 14 entering his freshmen year at Romeo High School and enjoys gaming in his spare time.

School Coaching Experience

2012-2019 – Romeo High School – Varsity Assistant
Class A State Champions - 2014
Class A State Runners-Up- 2015
MAC Red Conference Champions – 2013, 2014, 2015

2001-2012 - Anchor Bay High School – 8th Grade, Junior Varsity, Varsity
Conference Champions – 2009
MAC White Coach of the Year - 2009

Club Coaching Experience

 2005-2006 - Bay Area Volleyball Club
2007-2008 – Ultimate Volleyball Club
2009 – Michigan Elite Volleyball Club – 15u
2010-2011 – Ultimate Volleyball Club – 16u
2012 – Dynasty Volleyball Club – 12-14u
2013-2016 – Legacy Volleyball Club – 16u
2017-2019 – Michigan Elite Volleyball Club – 16u

Jeannie Henry
Flint Southwestern Academy

Head Coach, 14 White

Coach Henry has been teaching and coaching volleyball at the middle and high school levels for many years. “I love what I do because teachers and coaches have the ability to positively impact and mold students and players into the people they want to become. My goal is to enhance the volleyball talents of my players while developing their leadership skills, self-discipline, and work ethic. I have always loved volleyball and I hope my players develop a life-long passion for it as well."

 We are excited about the experience Jeannie brings to Five:1 VBC in this age group.  Her 7th grade team in Grand Blanc finished their season this year 10-1.

Amy Geer

Northwood University

Head Coach, 13 Black

Coach Geer's volleyball career starting in Pinconning High School where she was a Four-Year starting Setter, Three-Time Team Captain, and earned Class B All-State Honors each of her four years. During her time in high school, she played for Valley Volleyball Club, where she successfully engineered her team to two state championship finishes in Michigan and a Nationals 3rd place finish. 

That success followed Amy to college where she was a Four-Year Starting Setter and Four-Year Team Captain for the Northwood University Timberwolves (‘99-‘03). She was GLIAC Freshman of the Year in 1999, went on to become the program’s first player to earn First-Team all GLIAC honors all four seasons, and departed as GLIACs Player of the Year her senior year. She also earned three NCAA Division II All American honors as Northwood’s Setter, and was inducted into the Northwood Timberwolves Hall of Fame in 2010. Amy was recently ranked #6 on Michigan’s top 25 volleyball players in the past 25 years, and was also inducted into the Bay County Sports Hall of Fame in 2017.

Since her playing days, Amy has coached Bay City Central’s JV Team in 2003, Valley Volleyball’s 16s in 2012, and most recently Valley Volleyball’s 12s in 2015 and 2016. When she’s not coaching, Amy works as a Business Systems Analyst for Frankenmuth Insurance. She also enjoys spending time with her husband, Dean, and three daughters, Audrey, Madison, and Avery. She still finds time to play volleyball, competing in Bay City’s Recreational Volleyball League.

Tiffany Harper
Mott Community College / Rochester College
Head Coach - 12 Black

Coach Harper joins us this year as the head coach for 12 black.  Tiffany has coached at Davison High School as the varsity coach for the last 20 years, and assisted for 3 years prior to that with the Davison program.  She has been an assistant coach at Mott Community College, and has also been involved with multiple area clubs prior to joining us this year.  

In 2012, Tiffany was name the Coach of the Year for the Saginaw Valley Tri-County Conference, and in 2017 she was name the Coach of the Year for Region 9.

We are excited to have Tiffany join our staff this season!  

*Coaching assignments subject to change

Carly Searles
Trine University

Head Coach, 16 Silver

Coach Searles is a graduate of Petoskey High School in Petoskey, MI. During her time in high school she was a Three-Year Varsity starter, and she also played for Inside Out Volleyball Club.  After High School, she went to Trine University in Angola, IN. Carly was a Four-Year starter, with her Freshman Year as a hitter.  Carly's Sophomore through Senior year, she was the primary setter, where she gather All-Conference Awards during those seasons. Currently, Carly ranks in the Top 10 on several categories.  Also, while attending Trine, she played on the softball team as a Four-Year Starter, earning three First Team All-American awards.  She graduated with a degree in Business Administration. 

Currently, Carly is coaching at Nouvel Catholic Central as the JV Head Coach. She enjoys watching her players  grow on and off the court. While not coaching, Carly works as a Bid Coordinator at Caravan Facilities Management, LLC in Saginaw. In here free time she likes to spend time with her husband, Justin and her dog, Rambo. While she's not running around with her dog, she still finds time to play volleyball, competing in Bay City Recreational Leagues and tournaments in Detroit Area.


Katie Rusch
Olivet College
Head Coach, 15 Silver

Coach Rusch is a graduate from Valley Lutheran High School in Saginaw and played collegiate volleyball at Olivet College before going on to become a cosmetologist.  She has been playing volleyball since the age of 6 and joined a travel club at the age of 8.  Katie has held head-coaching positions with Michigan Elite and Mid-Michigan Magic.  She has also volunteered with Vally Lutheran during their high school camps and practices when she is available.

Katie continues playing volleyball competitively on the beach in the summer with her former teammates.

Christine Westendorf
Nouvel Catholic High School

Head Coach, 14 Silver

Coach Westendorf graduated from Nouvel Catholic High School, and was a setter on the volleyball team for three years.  She continued her education at Delta College, and then went on to obtain her Bachelor's of Science in Environmental Health & Safety Management.  She is now a project manager at the General Motors Metal Casting Operations Plant in Saginaw. 

Christine is entering her second season with Five:1 VBC.  She currently coaches at Novel Catholic High School 8th grade volleyball coach and also a 7th/8th grade track coach.  She also coaches at Meridian High School as junior varsity volleyball coach, and was also involved in the junior high school program prior to taking the JV head coach position.  She is pictured here with her son Alex and her pup, Zoey just before running her first marathon!

Brian Granger
Head Coach, 13 Silver

Coach Granger is a manufacturing supervisor / logistics for the last 15 years.  He plays competitively in the local adult volleyball / softball / basketball leagues.  He enjoys both indoor and sand volleyball and has been playing competitively since 2012, when he fell in love with the sport of volleyball.

Brian is a trustee and teen leader at his local church, where he coaches recreational basketball and softball teams.  He says, "building youth up and helping them to learn the characteristics they will need to become successful adults is a passion of mine!"

Andrea Lawson
Mt. Morris High School
Head Coach, 12 Silver

Coach Lawson graduated from U of M Flint with a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration.  She has been a commercial credit officer and banker by day for the last 19 years.  With a passion for coaching kids and a love of volleyball since she was young, she says "I find Five:1 is a great fit to call home for coaching."  

Her love of volleyball started in the 4th grade at St Mark Lutheran School, and she played through middle school.  In high school, she shifted away from volleyball and focused on swimming, track and powerlifting.  She is now an endurance athlete with 18+ triathlons under her belt.  During college she found her way back to volleyball, playing co-ed beach volleyball various adult leagues and tournaments. 

Andrea assisted our Stars & Stripes program and learned a ton about the way we train our younger athletes.  She also makes herself available for camps and clinics and has been a huge student of the game in our gym.  When she is not in the gym at Five:1, she enjoys traveling, working out and spending time with husband Jason, daughter Lillian and dog Marshall.